• KeriKitty (They(/It))
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    8 months ago

    It’s really not that hard v.v Caring to learn all’ the shenans, that’s the hard part. Same goes for Emacs. Archaic interfaces for the sake of archaism or “cool cred,” I say 🤷

    Edit: Also haha the joke is funny :P

  • TxzK
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    Vim user here. The only way to exit vim is to pray to the Vim gods and sacrifice your first born, hoping that they’ll cause a cosmic ray to hit the right spot in the memory to flip the right bit that causes it to exit. There are no alternatives.

        • Cethin
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          08 months ago

          These is one of the oldest Linux memes. No, they aren’t serious. I have a hard time believing anyone here doesn’t actually know how to exit vim properly.

          • @Revan343@lemmy.ca
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            I have a hard time believing anyone here doesn’t actually know how to exit vim properly.

            You power cycle the machine, then run apt-get update && apt-get install nano, right?

            Fuckin \s, just in case that wasn’t clear

        • @Revan343@lemmy.ca
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          I am non-serious, I just don’t like vim (or emacs; if I’m editing a text file in a terminal I want nano, or I append manually with pipes as Linus intended).

          Most of my systems have X11 and some basic GUI text editor, my server is the exception that proves the rule. There is generally no actual reason to use Vim except liking Vim, or wanting to learn to like Vim.

          For those that do like Vim, or want to learn it for historical reasons? Good on you, have fun.

          If you like emacs fuck off though.

          • @Hexarei@programming.dev
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            The main reason for using (neo)vim is motions and text objects. Pretty cool to be able to type cxia, ]a, cxia to swap two function parameters in code. Or daf to delete a whole function.

            Even just f to jump to a specific character later in the line, or t to jump up to that character are absolutely life changing.

            I love love love editing HTML in neovim with the ability to do stuff like dst for “delete surrounding tag” or St<div class="something"> to surround the current selection with a new tag. I have yet to find another editor that can do stuff like that with just a couple key presses.

  • xigoi
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    08 months ago

    Is there any playlist that wouldn’t be improved by adding Cat by C418 at the end?

    • chraebsliOP
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      08 months ago

      there aren’t.

      & most people don’t even know what/ who C418 is…

      • Cethin
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        08 months ago

        He was that guy working on the music for that 0x10c game, right?

        • Kogasa
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          08 months ago

          Haven’t heard of 0x10c since 2012. Shame it was canceled, I love Elite and would love more games in its niche

          • Cethin
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            08 months ago

            I’ve found Ostranauts recently, and it’s really fun and I feel has some of the same vibes. Not even close to the same though, being able to program your own systems that you put together. I still sometimes think about what 0x10c could have been. I’ve considered doing something similar myself, but I haven’t gotten around to it. Maybe someday something similar will exist.

      • stebo
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        08 months ago

        most people don’t even know what/ who C418 is…

        most people would recognise his songs though…

      • @Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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        I’m too used to nano, switching for micro for a while I was constantly using nano key combos and making a mess of things.

        Stockholm syndrome from key combos lol

          • @Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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            It would just be a bit funny since sensible keybindings was one of the reasons I originally switched. Turns out I had already used nano too long for me to actually want that feature hah.

            • @kautau@lemmy.world
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              Haha very true, if micro was the default, many people coming from common GUI apps would be like “okay, ctrl z to undo” and “ctrl s to save” “wow, it actually worked”

              • @Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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                08 months ago

                Absolutely. It would make sense as the default instead of nano (or vim of all things). Would help those who are just starting with Linux.

                • @kautau@lemmy.world
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                  Def! I sort of wish the RFC committee would push standards for smart cross-platform shortcuts. Of course people with muscle memory in a different standard should be able to change for their usage, but even GUI apps like vscode, sublime text, IntelliJ, etc could benefit from standardization there

    • chraebsliOP
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      08 months ago

      less really is more with more features. and more IS less with less features

  • swab148
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    08 months ago

    Just because this is a vim meme, does anyone know how to copy text from one instance of vim to the other?

    • @embed_me@programming.dev
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      You can yank text to system clipboard buffer ie +. Then paste (put) from the clipboard to any other vim process.

      Keep in mind you should have clipboard support in your vim. If you’re on ubuntu, install vim-gtk and you should be good

    • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod
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      08 months ago

      Copy the text to a local clipboard, then paste it into your terminal in the other instance

      IDK I only use vim over ssh

      • swab148
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        Would this work if one of those instances was in a VM?

    • @Mohaim@beehaw.org
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      Install xclip then press "+y (double-quote plus-sign y) to yank to system clipboard then "+p to put from sys clipboard

    • Doc Avid Mornington
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      08 months ago

      Just use a single instance of Emacs to edit everything everywhere all at once. You can even use vim keybindings if you have no taste.

      • swab148
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        Emacs is more for devs though, yeah? I’m just a lowly sysadmin in training.

        • Doc Avid Mornington
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          08 months ago

          I think Vim is more popular with sysadmins because, historically, you could count on Vi or Vim being available on just about any server you had to do some work on, while Emacs might not be. That’s still probably somewhat true, although in the world of clouds, containers, and source-controlled, reproducible configuration, it’s probably less common to edit files in place on a server.

          However, with Emacs tramp, you can edit files just about anywhere you can access, by any means, even if there is no editor installed there at all, using your local Emacs, with all your accustomed configuration. Like popping open a file inside a container running on a remote server by ssh, something I’ve done a lot of lately, debugging services running on AWS ECS.

  • @snaggen@programming.dev
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    I have been a vim user for more than 20 years. I tried to quit for a couple of years, but now I have just accepted my faith.

    • chraebsliOP
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      08 months ago

      RIP to people who never shutdown or restart their PCs

  • Match!!
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    08 months ago

    easy mnemonic to quit vim: imagine you’re captain Picard in the middle of typing “:3” when Q shows up

    • @Crow@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      08 months ago

      Or, hear me out, : because you’re doing a command, and then q for quit. Probably make it wq too, to write and quit

      • Cethin
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        08 months ago

        No, that doesn’t make any sense. We need something convoluted so that people don’t remember it next time it’s needed.

      • @kautau@lemmy.world
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        Forgot

        Escape first, because it wants to keep you inside the matrix and you need to tell it you are trying to escape

        q!

        Because you probably don’t want to save whatever you’ve accidentally done to that file trying to quit, and you have to add an exclamation point because unless you yell loudly at vim it won’t listen

      • chraebsliOP
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        08 months ago

        did you know there is a vim tutor for learning how to vim?

        • @TheRedSpade@lemmy.world
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          vimtutor, which I believe is installed with vim by default

          Edit: My brain apparently inserted an extra word that made it seem like you were seeking said program. Leaving it though for those wondering in the future.

  • @Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Funny story. After you start you can’t go back. What is a nano?

    Edit: If ctrl-z doesn’t get you out of vim you need to install another terminal or more likely just ditch your distro altogether.